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gnvjurt fnteUigente. COUNTY POLICE-—SATURDAY. rMasietrates The Rev. THOMAS POPE, M.A., and Lieut. W. PHILLIPS, R.N.] MACimx —Evan Griffiths was brought up under a warrant, and charged with refusing to maintain his motherless child, who was five years old, and had been placed under the guardianship of his grandmother, at Machen. Mr. Owen appeared for the defence. It appeared that the overseers of the parish had been applied to by the grandmother of the child for additional relief to that which she was herself receiving, in order to support the child, on account of the father discontinuing his paymenta towards the support of the boy. The overseers at once took steps to compel the parent to support his offspring, and the relieving officer for the parish of Maehen proceeded to Swansea, and had the defendant apprehended. The overseers now sought to recover 63., which they had paid towards maintaining the bov, and also £ 2 6s. 61., the amount of expenses inourre'd in apprehending the father. Mr. Owen stated, on behalf his client, that he was quite willing to main- tain his child, and that he had offered to take him away from his grandmother, but that she had refused to give him up. He had no objection to refund what had been received from the Poor-law Board towards the mainte- nance of his son, but the amount of expenses charged by the relieving officer, he considered enormous. He ulti- mately consented to pay the amount charged by instal- ments, but under protest, so that the expenses might be thoroughly investigited; MAGOR.—John Farr was charged with assaulting and beatincr Oliver Williams, at Magor, at about two o'clock on the°24th December last. The Bench considered both parties were to blame, and consequently dismissed the case. GOLDCLTFIF. -George Vaughan was charged with per- mitting liquor to be consumed in his licensed beerhouse, the Farmer's Delight, at Goldcliff, on Sunday, the 14th inst.—Case dismissEd. BASSALLEG,- William Edmunds was charged with assaulting William Pope, by throwing him down in the road and beating him severely, near Henllys church, Bassalleg, on Sunday night last. There had evidently been a previous disagreement between the parties, and the defendant had predetermined to serve the complainant out.-Pope stated that on the night in question he over- took Edmunds, and on passing him he politely said, Good night, Mr. Edmunds." Defendant replied, "Mr. Edmunds, is it; —— your eyes, I'll give you calling me Mr, Edmunds." After which he committed the assault complained of, and swore he would murder him out-right.—The defendant, who appeared consider- ably irritated, said, with great warmth, that Pope was continually calling after him, Mad Will," and his then saying Mr. Edmunds was all sham. Snch was the effeet of the name fixed on him by Pope and others, that go where he would he was saluted by the nick-name of « Mad Will," which he did not like.-Pope admitted having used improper epithets to Edmunda.-The Bench considered the defendant a most exciteable man, and thought if he would only govern his temper these oppro- briotfs names would be avoided. For the assault he would be fined 5s. and costs, 10s., or in default 21 days' -imprisonment. SERIOUS CHARGE OF RIOT AT RISCA. Nine respectable looking young men, named William Williams, Moses Moreton, Osborne Williams, John Davies, John Roberts, Edward Harvey, George Sirs, William Bevan, and Jonah Daw, were charged with rioting and causing a breach of the peace, at Rises, on Saturday night, the 20th of December, 1862. Mr. Owen appeared for the defendants. The prisoners were also charged by Henry Moses, of property, by smashing the windows and door of the house, and thereby placing the lives of the occupants in danger; The first witness examined was the landlady of the Commercial Inn beerhouse, who said I am the wife of Henry Moses on Saturday night, the 20th ult., a party of eight were in a private room in her house drinking. There were two other parties in the house the same evening, one of which occupied the club room upstairs, and were dancing; one of the navvies went up into the club room shortly after, when a raw commenced in a few minutes after it ceased, and I thought it was all over, when some other navvies went upet-irs, as I sup- pose, to get their chum down in about a quarter of an hour after I was in the bar, and heard some men rul- ing down the passage; they asked for the navvies, and then I asked what they wanted with them they used very bad language, cursed and swore, and said they would have the house down unless they could get them out *o fight; I told them the consequence, and re- qcftfted them net to c" foolish the navvies then closed themselves i.o the .m, and kept the door fast; my j tttaiband stood before the door, and one of tH*. w-n, | ward iiarTT* klWtiUg 1&9 ooor j SOffiS Of t?TP ( men had their ntrlc behs ui their hands: only those j who bad their uoiiorm on n £ .i bells; Jor-ah Daw had a sword they bad stones, poker", and V5i1c'«js weapone I :n their hantf"; Moses Moreton hud a stone tied 1 handkerchief; prce«.atty he went our. --md I the window arrash; a female told me to rur* 3,j fcofc-.nd, as they were aeing the SUJ.C itero 3a^3nep j seven engaged in breaking the window* could only recognise William Williamson Williams; they made a tremendous i/ r !.»««< midst or a:.u t.ies»_ ihe room aIi the ihe room aIi the t;»:l; the navvies remau^- ier if both parties iner~ the*1 bne\- \e various thing? about l*»w, IViie h.'d the sword, j w.-il amount to about *>-•• f > ) sad if he could get at tharn (f. ,v 68J e ^0U1 u'j them all <e > j cai''jay who commenced iha i:r»t j >ross-e*a John Roberts uv.<l bis wife, | row, as i •-« verv quiet people, *ud I -lo not | ^°JTe,e & to make a row I iay how thine £ •# room before the navvies went upstairs; raauy.v^ ^jrs ;rv Murder when I was faint, and John Roberts was bleeding; both into a bed'oom the navigators did Mt'teil m< that >ivey h id knocked her down I believe a rs&ri earned T-e>n, a shoemaker, and one of the 'he row swear that I did not hear SffSgyf-mi-dtr j'' there we*: about twenty or thirty ■nr>t see r hear anyone run ,c<1 to shorten iLe of the Bench, It was i:ot be called a riot, and if they .ashed, he was authorised to state that his -fould consent to pay for the damage done. ae Bench could not adopt that course, as a breach of the peace had been committed, and that was an offence against the public. P.C. Parkin resumed: I saw e large mob of people outside they were principally colliers; I requested them to disperse several parties sung out that they would murder the b navvies, or else that tbey would j break the house down amongst them I recognised John Davies, George Siers, Edward Harvey, Lewis Daw, John j Roberts, and William B'.vari, Roberts had his hat and I ;oat off, and his fare covered with blood; they' were taking oaths that they would murder the navvies; the I' parties that I have named were actively engagtd; saw stoues thrown through the window; a stone came through the window whilst I was in the house,and passed ever my head, struck the wall, and made an impression in the mortar; I got most of the colliars out of the Passage, when they commenced throwing stones at the front window a man named Denry Thomas was standing by me, when he received a severe blow from a brick thrown through the doorway, and whilst in the passage a piece of brick struck me on the leg; I was in tho house ,I about three-quarters of an hour; the stone throwing I Jaated a quarter of an hoar; the navviea appeared frightened; I dispersed the crowd outside, got the II navvies out, and accompanied them down the road, J then returned to tLe. houee, and found it all quiet. Cross-examined Daw did not apeak to me before I went in never spoke a wo:d tu him none of them i made any statement to me I put Roberta's name in the summons because he was there, *nd cohered with biood. i Thomas Speuerr said I am a haulier on thy railway was at the Commercial Inn on Saturday night, and was t t amongst the company of navvies who were shut up in the II room it is a rule to inflict fines for certain irregu'Rrites, | i »uch as late attendance at the stables in tha mooning, t smoking therein, &o., and the money so obtained is spent ) in beer, and drunk on Saturday night in aioom by them- | i se'vea i want up stairs to see the dancing, and one man i tbat w.is in the room asked me to drink oat of his pint; i I tasted it, and returned it: there were two or three <3 more who took share of the pint 1 was then asked tc f p»7 JB7 ^rhich I refa*sd one of them collared s me, aol a row began, when several of my party came I i io me, and "fter a iiule scuffling we all wel-t II town when nt go; down, 1 heard some one say, v "Tfaero an;, only two o^jiu^at pt tha fe—— he rt, a ad • irft'U MffgilMai out i" w9 'to our own room, «a<i shut the door in about twenty minutes after, I heard a row in the passage our party were afraid to go out but tried to keep the door closed stones and brickbats came in through the window a great many were thrown I was not struck, but some of my companions were the row lasted about half-an-hour. Cross-examined: I was drinking with Bevan, the crippled shoemaker I only tasted one pint; did not touch Bevan there was only one of my friends there in the dancing-room at that time I was quite sober; did not see the woman knocked down or trod upon; did not hear any one crying murder the policeman came with us when we went down the road no one insulted us after; do not know who broke the windows. James Lewis, a horsekeeper on the railway, was in the room with other navvies when the row in question occurred. He said, I was not out of the room from the commencement of the row till it finished I was struck in the head by a stone thrown through the door as I was attempting to leave the house there was a severe cut, and it bled a great deal I went back into the room I did not see anyone throw stones. (Mr. Owen here examined the wound) Cross-examined I never went up stairs, and did not see the woman knocked down there were two doors in the room that we were in it was the passage door that was broken in. „ J • i. Joseph Limmick, a lad, said: Last Saturday night, about half-past nine o'clock, I saw Daw take the sword from David" B,osser, and put it under his cloak; he went towards the public-house Mr. Grey, one of the Risca Company's clerks, saw him, took hold of his arm, and advised him to go home he said he would not, but that he would cut the navvies in pieces before they should kick Johnny Roberts aud his wife about Mr. Grey then went away. Cross-examined The sword was mine and his—what the Christmas boys" carry about. [The sword, which was a mere toy, was here produced.] Joseph Jarvis, another horsekeeper, said he went up. stairs in the Commercial Inn, on Saturday night; as soon as he got at the top he was knocked he never got into the dancing-room he was threatened to be thrown down stairs if he advanced further saw Thomas Spencer there one man was bleeding and another standing over him about twenty minutes after we got into our own room, and another row began I was much frightened. Cross-examined I should like to know who knocked me down, but cannot say. Sergeant Hale said About half-past eleven o clock, on Saturday, the 20Lh inst., I heard that a terrible dis- turbance had taken place at the Commercial Inn, Risca I immediately went there and all was quiet; P.C. Par- fitt to;d me what had happened I examined the house, and found seven large panes of glass and part of the woodwork in one of the front room windows knocked out in the window of the bask kitchen, in which the navvies were, five large panes were broken; a large plate glass over the front door, four feet by two feet, was also smashed; the panels in one of the doors was broken out; two chairs, a table, and a pair of tongs were also broken a large quantity of stones and bricks were lying on the floors of the rooms in the house; from marks on the doors it appeared as if stones had been thrown against them. Mr. Owen, addressing the Bench, said that there was no case of riot on the part of his clients proved, and he wished to know whether the Bench considered it as such if the Bench did not treat the case as one of riot, he should confine his remarks to the minor view of the case, viz., a row. The Bench intimated that Mr. Owen bad better pur- sue the case according to the charge preferred. Mr. Owen remarked that if it could possibly,^fflltr strued intaaol'^taji^efled in his experience. The law presumed that in case of riot the act had been premedi- tated, and that the parties engaged should meet ex- pressly for that purpose; this could not evidently be called a riotous assembly the rioters outside did not assemble-the cry of Murder" had been raised. The Clerk read the law on the point, which was to the effect that where three or more persons congregate together for the purpose of creating a disturbance, such proceedings might legally be termed riotous. The Bench, however, came to the conclusion, from the evidence which had been already adduced, that it could not, properly speaking, be termed a riot. Mr. Owen then resumed his address for the defence, in which he maintained the consistency of his clients in going to the release of one of their comrades, who, with his wife, had been shamefully acd cruelly used by the ~«vieatoTs, and more especially so after the cry of murder EaJ been raised and these facts he would prove by evidence, tiw the navvies were the aggressors, and that no rash proceeov-^g were began until the cry of murder r-Rounded from Ol., and of thoplaco to the other. I Xlic f'-llo*RV'.rlence wus I John M iima. « *K<u <,a Vfi„ nf fU- r.— 1 Inn, at eight o'clock ia tus taring of the I Saturday in question. Saw John R,)berts cooic into the I room, followed hy his wife, dpenoer, the navvyi '('as | then drinking wnh Be van saw Spencer strike Bevcu*, i aud also saw John Roberts, who *'ent to the rssuue of I- jPe»an, struck down to the ground; I it onto ria o3 to f i< 'Vh '"R"tcid them what had happene-i. I r t vCr' I not ren^er assistance to Roberts or JW _jjen j 8&w him down; ii was use- le9"?s lhere ,v-ny navvies there, t itness resumed: VCSL T went T0 the Crown I saw Morten there, and he leit and Commercial Inn> James Bevan, a cripple, said i u,. a r j was drinking in'he dancing room with a na> on j evening in quastion we were drinkin- together w_ drank thr?.<j pints of beer, and the fourth was coming in Spencer came and joined us I asked him to pay for a I pijjt; he said, That if I salted hln. to pay for a pint he would knock my hea1, through the window j I rnerely said in reply That i^was only fair be should i pay," when he struck Le he did not knock me down I was aitting on the benoh, and my crutch was under it; John Roberts heaid the ro#f and ran to my assistance, when he was immediate'^ struck down his wife oame to the rescue, and sh 3 struck down also the navvies were joining like o",e man to punish us; Mrs. Roberts was dead" OD *„ Q ground sba cried out Murder'/ as loud as abfi co^'d did not see B.oberts leave th^ | room, or Morris one i»_^vy wentdown,and another C" » up Mrs. Moses, who was in the room ,pPonmy lap, when Spen^, another t() the bottom, and t^re fJff alan for Mrs. Mog» 5 I believe y life to come tVotn there T did wa, nnv many people there as I ure the navigators struck,^ first. ould not think of cotite,]-: > vv;tQ j I was porreef1ysober, but thought it • upstairs. -jjj0 (jrown from 8ix jgers- I was in lhcri2 wtia,. tWf- or the evening rae,j •j19t fiaberfs and hi3 :amejn^audexc^nt at 0P„n to t,te (]0Mmcrf J were Moses*at the boU?m of ti e st<uri«, in the .un, saw »<• on^ ety.uirc,;l ;f John Roberts was j she ssid, I»o—you car. g» up ictc the j irooi?' Jr bn wb.s in the r»>m, with hi? a*oi around Ins j | mistress's ueck siie looked a» though she was .recover- j i:;g from faint'rg; John Roberts was bleeding at the back of his neau, aud Sua Was cc ulu«'U I came down and stood by the bar; Mrs. Moses aaid I must go o**t of the bar; I stood there for a fow minutes my water came there and told me to come away with her; I met Morton in the passage, and we all went back to the Crown, where -vc came from f, should not have left the Crown bad it not been for the I report I heard; it 13 false that Moreton had a stone »n a handkerchief; hia hands were in his pockots, Tho Chairman said that after patiently hearing the evidence on both aides, the Be^ch were oispcaed to take evidence on both aides, the Bepch were oispcaed to take a very lenient view oi toe .-ass. Although tn-y did not conceive that it nculd be justly teru ed a riot, they did consider it a row, and a very serious row; but, under the extenuating circumstances of the case, and the previous good conduct and respectability oi the defendants, tbey would or,; a fine 011 eight of them of £1 each, t, "ages and costs. I, They could not but with Roberta, who evidently acted egreited t-st he i had been so s'Tiui* ould thereto he I discharged. :-1 The Court di live o'clock. BC MGTOAY [Magiatr&tr Mayor aad JAMES layor.] Iayor.1 Henrv itb being drunk and disorde .table.-—The defendant said 1 jt was not so drunk as all th iie saw the defendant in the at jat about Llanarth-street, and T .ones- He cautioned him, and <1 -Fined 5s. and costs. Catnenne v. (Jar, a married wornau, for being drunk and disorderly, was fined 03. or 7 days' imprisonment. f Charles Bartlett was charged with being disorderly and assaulting P.C. Franklyn:—The offioer said between two and three o'clook on Saturday evening be saw th(; I defendant with two others in the street. He ordered them away. One went a'ong Club row, and two i>p L'anarth-street. They were very vilaonlcrly, and wit- ness repeatedly ordered them away. The defendant ultimately turned on the officer, and struck him vio- lently in the face, giving him a black eye.—The defen- dant said the officer knocked him down, kicked him, and gave him a black eye. This the ofEcer denied, and called.PC. Gould, who stated that he had been ealled into the Ram some time before the hour spoken of by Franklyn, to quell a disturbance, and the defendant wa.3 thea in the house, with a black eye,-—Ficed 40." #r six w-iske'hard labour. Loft Kttfk'wu eJt&rgtt? wiUa UMttiUcf Morris.—The complainant's face was sadly bruised ani. | discoloured. From her evidence it appeared that thy J parties live in the same house. On Friday evening, < the defendant and his wife came home at twelve o'clock I They had been drinking. Some words ensued betweo■. complainant's mother and defendant, in the course s j which tha complainant was referred to in anything b j polite terms. This roused her ire, she interfered, a- i defendant struck her as she lay on the bed.—The deff" > dant said he had no peace because he was a Protests i and the rest of the people in the house were Ro j Catholics. (To complainant) On the virtue of }'• oath did you not bring the poker down on me, anu saj j there's a Tipperary stroke for you ?"—Complain •. j I did when you gave me a black eye; I wanted to save ray life, and you wanted to take it.—An animated l' "1" dialogue took place between the parties, in which c plainant's mother, who was called as a witness, with great volubility. The old woman said she du- see Luke strike her daughter, but she saw him on in bed choking" her and Luke charged her wi quenching the candle" that she could not see w a was being done. Ultimately, the defendant was ae 10s. and costs, or a month's imprisonment. William Bailey was sued for allowing beei to be consumed in his beerhouse after eleven o'clock. He had kept the Mechanics' Arma for four years, without any complaint being made.—Ordered to pay the costs. t> Thomas Power, landlord of the Homely Tatern beerhouse, High street, Pill., was summoned or allowing fighting on his premises on Thursday » about half-past ten o'clock.—P.C. Cox proved o offence, and said there was a regular disturbance, rower and a man named Mountain being the principal com- batants.-The Chief Superintendent said Mountain was in reality the landlord of the house, but he having been convicted of felony, the name of Power, who was a brother-in-law, was on the sign.-Fined L2 and costs. [L. A. HOMVRAY, Esq., here joined the Bench.] William James, master of the Margaret Evans, was summoned under the Harbour Act, with causing wiltul damage to the French vessel Anne Marie, Capt. Pierre Andret Codet.—The complainant, who was examined through an interpreter named Jacob Berlyn, said he was master of the Anne Marie. On Saturday, the 20th ult., he was moving his vessel up the river to Messrs. Bache- lor's yard. A warp,was out from the Margaret Evans, defendant's vessel, which prevented the Anne Alane getting to her discharging berth. The pilot called for the warp to be slackened. Defendant refused to comply with the request. The consequence was that tne Anne Marie struck against the warp, and the jib- boom was lost. The damage was estimated at L2 12s. The defendant had been asked for the money, which be refused. He was then asked to go to the Harbour Master to settle the matter. He made an appointment for that purpose, but did not keep it. William Nuh, who was in charge of the French ship, said he called out three times for the warp to be slackened. The mate heard him, but refused to do as he was asked, and in consequence of that, the damage already spoken of was sustained by the French ship. Had the rope of the Margaret Evans been slackened, the Anne Marie would pass over it safely. When the damage was done, the mate of the Margaret Evans said, That's the way to shorten your booms." The Margaret Evans was not afloat, and the rope could have been slackened without endangering her.—A witness, mate of the Joseph Bushby, corroborated Nash's evidence.—Eiwin Morgan was called for the defence, and said he was on the wharf when the French schooner got foul of the rope of the Margaret Evans, and broke the jib-boom. The pilot said, after the damage was done,—" Why did not you slack the rope?" The mate of the Margaret ^une.s'c^tainly nea'rd the pilot had he called for the rope to be slackened. Did not hear the mate of the Margaret Evans say anything about shortening booms, when the damage was done. The Margaret Evans was atloat.- The evidence of this witness was corroborated by others.—Joseph Lefevre said he was master of a small vessel lying by the Margaret Evans, and the rope was attached to the buoy in the way it was by order of the Harbour Master, in order to keep the Margaret Evans from damaging witness's vessel. Witness believed the damage was the fault of the pilot.—The Mayor, after referring to the extraordinary contradictory evidence which had been adduced, said the Bench had determined to dismiss the case. Thomas Eldershaw, of the Carpenters' Arms, was summoned for keeping his house open after eleven o'clock on the night of the 25th. Mr. Eldershaw said it was Christmas time, and a few friends were certainly -in the house. Two of them were going by the mail at 3.30 a.m., and preferred sitting up lest they should lose the train.-The Chief Superintendent said the house was one of the best conducted in the town.-Ordered to pay costs. Francis Evtns was summoacd for allowing his pies ta roiin. nlu.uf. afreets —P S Pf»i' f*? were running about Coiomorcial-streer atmuc 0 clock m the morning —Fined 5s and cautioned. I Mary Hood, a respcctably-dre^se l elderly woman, was summoned for being drank cud disorderly, h -'Lrl, j t. ;-t.—P.C. Gould proved the uffenae.— ih» dofi'^tan; J said sflo ,v;nt t.) look for Lot husband into ),fr. J'stktr'a (. house, wiieti Parker he ,1. there. aaJ that he neither iiar ner h'.1,,>ii..d. She wanted I to know It since whan," sod he then struck tier.— Fin«-d on. E iward Thomas was summonec: for assaulting Maria Davies.—The complainant said she went to tie Star beerhouse, to look for hpr husband, when defendai t tried to get her husband to fight, lind s ruck her. The de- fendant kept her husband one drinking an Buturdav nights, instead of his takir.g the Tonoy tame to her. ¡ 1 The defendant aid he advised corn;,ia'nant's f»u#band to K home, when complainant struck hira, and ho struck ae: bark.—Elisabeth Barge, landlady r.C the nouse, eor- T,obor4tai.i me defordant's statement, and said eo»- j P lainaut used filtny language.—This brought furtti a nat I Vf ry amiable retort from the compiainsrit, to tb* } lar<iditdy r.-plied that she never gave complainant's 4t^us- ( h&a d pints of beer—she would aeorn tbe: action };¡¡ J *Va3 too low a teilow for her io wish to hav^ in hrr 1 k-ouse," &c.—A noisy a'tercatioa, the indignant awd i j'acoiafu! looks of the fair disputants presenting s. ^ery j J pretty spectacln, then tock plaoe, tha ro«gj«tr?.tes aiti- I mataly dismissing the case on (tetcndam'c paying costs, the Mayor remarking that th* defendant appeared to j hfcv; tK'en p-I 1 ■ At-, ^wyer and LouiW flatten were each fined 5* for wing filthy language in streets. Louisa Turaei was ch rjed with a similar oiitil!lJe aud ordered to pay a fine of 5s.. including costs. Israel Evani: WMsumrMned for fraudulently removing his goods wiiti intent to evade payment of 30s, r"r.t, dat j to Mrs. Johus, —'Adj0urand io, it.cnth to al-ow the de- feudant ul.? to pay the money. I THAN8FKE 0» UCE'4<S>?, The Oid iiush Ian, trim John <ew&rt to Thomas Eiwtird Tuomas.—The Tredegar Arms, EigU-str^t frcra Wiliiam Waters to Thomas Reed G;ddy.—TheFreel j .•.assona' Arms, Kupirra-street, from Catherine Rhepdto Wt'Hara Waters.—Sunderland Afm,, L'anartb-atrett from George Dymock to Elizabeth Dymock.—Tie I Prince's Hsad, 0ieorgc-stre6t, froai Kacnel Saea to To*ld.—The Dolphin Inn, from Martha Bicwer to I Jamsa Keyse.—Georgfl ar;d Dragon, Mill-street, frtm I Edward Williams to Henry Morris. W EDNFSDAY. [Magistrates: The Major, G. W. JONVS, 0:r:'1\ >ii. v i, fvqrs Frederick Brown, a sailor, was charged with having been found drunk in Speedwell-street. The defendaat ia answer to the Bench, said that he got his discharge the day before with JEo 63. 8d. in his pocket. He Mt iruuk, aad did not know what had become of it.-Fined 5s., or 7 days. Patrick Crow was charged with an assault by Frederick James. The defendant pleaded guilty. It appealed I that Crow, acting under the impression that complainant had tried to frighten him, gave complainant a black eye. —Fined 10s., including costs. ) Augustus Bone, sailor, was brought up in custody of a i harbour police constable on a charge of assaulting ths i mate oi the Yankee ship Caltdoma. The complainant I did not appear, and the defendant, who was a foreigner, comp'ained of having been il'i-treated by tho mate, whuu, he said, had put him in irons and pulled his nose.—The captain, who was m court, aaid that ho knew nothing against tha man.—The Bench said that the man was entitled to be protected against such violent uattge as that described. He expressed his willingness to return oil board, and was discharged accordingly. Beatrice Jones was summoned for having neglected to pay r. fine of 5s. lid., iaflicted upon her for selling batr without a license. The Cbiof Superintendent said tie defendant had no effects whatever. The defendant hit. self protested that she was a' servant and did not know her responsibility. Her landlord had promised to pay the fine. The Bench said that unless the money was forthcoming, they would have no alternative but tu commit defendant for 21 days. Dennis Leary, a boy, was charged with wilfully breik- ing the door of Trinity Church schoolroom, Pill.—-Mr. 1 Samuel Wilde, churchwarden cf Pill church, said that the boys living in Constable-lane were in the habit of breaking the windows and doing other damage to the ] schools, much to the annoyance and expense of those who had the care of the institution. The other ,day tte I door was broken open, the damage done amounting to 3s. 6d.—The prisoner's mother, who was then in court, paid the amount, Ihe urchin was also lectured by the '3euch, and cautioned as to his future conduct. It ;fl hoped that the young rascals will be deterred by tbi's 1 very proper proceeding oa the part of the churchwardens.
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:s £ W.(_T*T WATCH COMMITTEE AND BOARD OF HEALTH. FORTNIGHTLY MEETING. meeting on Tuesday the following members >vet! pn".snt—G. W. Jones, Esq., Mayor Aldermen W. T.> vnsend, R. Mullock, and H. J. Davis; Messrs. J. n (ex-Mayor), J. Murphy, N. Hewertson, W. T. M. Llewellin, L. B. Moore, and W. Williams. 1' e Chief Superintendent read his usual report. Trie totlowing documents were read :— O- ueral Knellys has had the honour to lay before nisi Royal Highness the Prince of Wales the address of tbe M.iyor, Aldermen, and Burgesses of Newport, and he -ico:r!Nanded to address to them His Royal Highness's thar.kb for this address. Windsor Castle, Dec. 15." Whitehall, Dec. 22, 1862. .f Sir,—I am directed by the Secretary, Sir George Grey, to inform you that he has considered the Inspec- tor's Report upon the state of the police of your borough daring the year ended the 29th September last, and that he has had the satisfaction of certifying to the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury that your police has been deemed in a state of efficiency in point of numbers and discipline during the year, in the terms of the 16th sec- tion of the 19th and 20th Vic., e. 69. I am, Sir, your obedient Servant, ff H. A. BRUCE. The Chairman of the Watch Committee, Newport, Mon." INCREASE IN THE POLICE FORCE, The Chief Superintendent made a written application for two additional policemen for the borough. The do- cument set forth that the area traversed by the police- men in their beats was too large—that several years ago the Government Inspector stated four additional men were required to render the force effective— that at the present time the force was more than usually deficient in strength through the ill health of P.C. Har- low and the continued suffering of P.C. Trump from in- juries received in the head while in the execution of his duty. After considerable discussion, the following resolution was adopted;— Considering the state of P.C. Trump and the conti- nued ill health of P.C- Harlow it is desirable to appoint two additional third-class constables for say six months- OUR MUDDY STREETS. A conversation arose as to the very dirty state of the streets, and especially as to the fact of the crossings not being kept clean. The attention of the Surveyor was directed to the matter. THE INSPECTOR'S BEPOBT, Beyond stating that Job Ashfield had been fined £ 8 for exposing for sale unwholesome meat, and that the common lodging houses are in a satisfactory condition, contained no matter of importance. SCRVEYOR'S REPORT. >1 r<aritain Lvne has submitted a plan for Gentlemen, C p th rirst Monmouthshire Artil- proposed Drill Hall, ^^ecto.! between East Market strLS winmilFstreet. The plan has been laid before the Public Works Committee, and is recommended to you for approval. ^Committee recommend the laying o =nm of £ 33 on the repair of the houses in Friars' Fields, at present in the Boards po-wsslou. ^ThTiiUn-, &c., in front of Mr. H. J. Davis's office, in &itrh atree' haa bUn taken down since your last meeting, id I believe that Lord Tredegar, who owns the property, is willing LU-t »»<»■> of the same shall be rounded, intf.ead of being square as heretofore, if the Board will pay a moiety of the extra cost of rebuilding the wall in thM form. Thia half cost would be about JE3, and the improvement effected thereby would be considerable. [Agreed to.l i 1 Wooden gates have also been erected lately across the end of the lane or passage leading to the Victoria Place stably and they have put a stop to a serious nuisance. Notices have been served upon the occupiers of several beerhoUSes in different parts of the town, to take down their troiecting signs, and they have for the most part been attended to. CoNYKRS KIRBY. COLLECTION OF RATES. It "as reported that in the Board of Health and Drainage rates an uncollected balance of £2,130 remained. At the present period the amount collected this year is £901 7s in excess of that collected at the corresponding period in 1861. THE PROPOSED NEW MARKET. Mr. Llevrellin I understand some plans of a pro- posed new market are in a state of incubation. I think it desirable the Council should understand what is going on with regard to the market; because I know that when plans are brought here in a state of maturity it is looked upon as invidious and objectionable to find fault with them. An instance occurred some time ago with re- gard to a certain building — objection was raised to the plans when present dtt, as, and notwithstanding the objection and the vie'v,"? of the Council disregarded. With a view to obviating that state of things in future, I think it desirable that the parties promoting the new /jiaiiet afcrmid confer with us, and give us ."we ,It t. hat is being done as matters progress, so when the plans are brought before us we may be acquainted wit" the details before being called upon to tft »» «l«feorate scheme for a market- Beside*, it would be bentiiiiial to the parties promoting the market to nsve the *iewa of people generally in the town, and especially of the members of this Board, who are ac. ouatnted with the character of the town and the nature of the prodpee brought to market. I suggest that we should understand what are the nature of the approaches and the nature of the conveniences for waggons, carts, I a«'i other-formers' vehicles; and also whether it is pr.ipo3"i to oave a corn market, and where it is proposed tj .'iiakc it and how the meat, poultry, vegetables, and other di-partirents of the market are to be placed. Mr. L'"we'iin suggested that the Board should communicate with promoters of the market, in order to see if they would condescend to acquaint them with the proposed arrai:simet>'8, that they might have an opportunity of fi:si;uasiig them. He did not know who were the gen- tlemen who promoted the scheme. Mr. Williams Doubtless only the Duke of Beaufort. M r. T»if wellin did not know whether Lord Tredegar mi^ht have anything to do with it. Aidem-an Davis: I think not. Mr. Llewellin thought they should instruet the Town Clerk to write to the Duke of Beaufort, and say the Board would be happy to render assistance in the prepa- ration of the plans. Several members thought it would be advisable for the Board not to interfere until the plans were matured; but ultimately, on the motion of Mr. Llewellin, seconded by Mr. Brown, the following resolution was carried:- 44 That the Town Clerk write to Mr. Wyatt, the agent to Si-i Grace the Duke of Beaufort, stating that this Board would be happy to render any assistance in strik- ing out plans of a new market most suitable to the re- quirements of the town." The members, with the addition of Mr. W. W. Morgan, then resolved themselves into a
SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING,
SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING, For iLl" purpose of considering the adwiaability of recom- a reduction in the scale of fees of the Magistrates' Clerk, and of considering the proposed new gas contract. TLa minutes of the last meeting, and the notice con- veutP.?; this one, which had been called in compliance v '1 fquisition to the Mayor, signed by five members, were (.A). Mr. Brown then rose and said Mr. Mayor and Gentlemen,—I am glad to see so full an attendance at the Council to-day, for it conveys to my mind that its energies do not flag on the subject for which you are specially convened. For some seven years we have been endeavouring to improve the administration of justice in our police courts, by the introduction of the system so widely in use, and so wisely adopted, in the whole of the Metropolis, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, and other large towns—in short, places representing some two-thirds of the population of the kingdom. The payment of the Clerk to the Justices in so large a space is carried out under the 14 and 15 Vie., or by private arrangement, both systems working well, and that of private arrange- ment preponderating, and although in use many years at Newcostle-on-Tyne and other towns, the legality of the course pursued has never been disputed to this day. We have, however, been unsuccessful in our efforts to intro- duce the like system in Newport. To ensure the greatness of any country, the first thing to be aimed at should be the due administration of the laws. Justice should be afforded in our Courts in a manner to give satisfaction not only to the publio interested before the Courts, but to every intelligent man among those who form the audience, if I may be allowed the term; and, to secure its purity, nothing, in my opinion, is so accessary as that neither the Justices on the Bench nor the Clerk to such Justices shall have any, or the slightest pecuniary interest in the fate of those whose lot it is to appear before them. The payment then of the Clerk by lalary and not by.fees,ls wnat we have so long struggled !cr unsuccessfully. Let it be understood then that this las been our whole and sole object in seeking the changes we have desired and struggled for. Gentlemen, A printed copy of the proposed new table of fees has been lent to each of you, and you have therefore had an entire nonth to consider the subject of this day's business, Ind I bring forward my motion based upon the 5 and Wm., 4th c. 76, sec. 124, which, so far as it concerns is this day, reads as followsAnd be it enacted, that ,he Council of every borough shall within six months ifter this eleotion, make and settle a table of fees which thall be taken by the Clerk to the Justices, and such ables of fees shall be submitted to one of her Majesty's Secretaries of State; and when such tables of leeI shall be confirmed and allowed by such Secretary sf State, either as such table shall have been submitted to him, or with such alterations, additions, jt ftatemeatv, m he sh^ll think proper, th0 few thereto, mehlion&u cay feeneefortb' Ita lawfully ^tfcfcen the' pnen Uwreia asaw to be onotled thereunto; 104 I It shall be lawful for the c>o o. h. borcu»b, ■ from time to time, as occasion may require, to make new tables of fees to be taken instand of the fees con- tained in the tables which shall ii~.v» made as aforesaid, which new tables shall be.confirmed an;3 allowed in the manner herein before mentioned, other- wise the same shall be of no validity." Gentlemen.— You will perceive that I propose a reduction uf 2-3 per cent. from the scale of fees now usei .ry the e-->urf, and it is due to you that I should give you my reasons for fixing upon 25 per cent. It will be ia the recodlec- tion of most of you that in 185C it was agreed upor* I by the then Justices that £300 a y"arwlls an adequate) remuneration to Mr. Fox for his services. Mr. Fox ) acquiesced in this sum as sufficient. It was, however, I not adopted, for reasons that it wil' I t'link, be quite unnecessary for me to detail to-day, and the matter j has ever since stood over. Now, in tL- e total num- ber of cases before the Bench was 1,)67 when Mr. 1 ox I was content to receive a salary of £3001 year, V, hat I the actual fees received in that, veai; sov I am unship j to state, but in the year following, wber ti." be- fore the Justices were five only in exces of io63, the fees amounted to £545. I have pre>ared a small tabular statement, which I will read to y>u 1 QI':A 'T'nhJ nnmber of cases bebre the .W:C-VW_' Justicss 1t62 Fees X545 1855 »i >» » 5*^ 1856 »» »» 1 597 1857 » >1 »> ••' 282 531 1858 » u >• „ 532 1859 »» >» ")3,8,, 532 1860 »» >> » 1861 «» >> 143 1862 a »» n 146 -1 am unable to give the receipts oi fee for the three last years, but I take the 6 years fron 1851 to 1859 (both inclusive), and find the average nuiber of cases to be 1752, and average fees £ 545. f, then, you take 25 per cent. off jE545, the balance will be JE410. It is competent for this BOire] t any time to again reduce the table of fees with ti Secretary of State's approval, and I have thouglt I1-st under all circumstances, not to exceed 25 percejit. It must, however, be remembered that the nuibet of cases have since diminished, which may, perhaps though I do not entertain a very strong opinion that i is 80) arise from the general stagnation of trade that we ave experienced. It must not be forgotten that I bad man boads to satisfy, many minds to please upon the matter. Hr. Gratrex, a borough magistrate, though no longer; rember of this Board, has urged here and elsewhere ardction of these fees; he, whilst Mayor of Monmouth, h*>ig effected a considerable reduction in that town. r. Woollett, another borough magistrate, had also urgeupon me the reduction of the fees, stating that if I toolfee matter in hand, that so far as the justices were concted, I should not have a single dissentient. Then, agaiiwe had Mr. Alderman Homfray on all occasions in favo of a reduc. tion of the fees, to use his own words, n favour of poor delinquents," at the same time declare his readi- ness to concur therein at once. Mr. E. J^tiillips also has declared himself emphatically as to tldesirability of reducing the fees. Mr. Phillips went foa reduction of the fees, and he thought they out to be re- duced to as low a scale as possible." ad I may say that I regret Mr. Phillips i3 not presenas I fear I have not put the scale sufficiently low toleass him. Mr. Williams also concurred ia reducing t fees, yet preferring salary, as also Dr. Morgan. Tn, was Mr. W. Evans, another magistrate, had given irtis adhe- sion to a reduction of the fees. I may be allojj to say, in passing these my observations, that had not been for the extraordinary conduct of Mr. Evaiand Mr. Woollett, conduct that has never been explied, and which I fear admits of no satisfactory exp.ation, I should not have had occasion to address you songthily to-day. Here, then, we have five magistratessporting a reduction of fees, who had heretofore resisttcayment by salary. Gentlemen, you know that I ha'(Cen re- peatedly urged to, and as frequently declined lhask of, producing for adoption a new scale of fees. lave on each solicitation avowed my unalterable averseto fees in any shape, and I am sure the gentlemen I seeire to- day share with me to the full in that view. Ith been, ill-naturedly I grant, thrown out that myself asttho3e that went with me were actuated by a meroenarrotive in seeking a substitution of salary in lieu of fet On their part and my own, I deny the imputation, bad taken a vast deal of pains and trouble to car out salary. I sought to avoid any increase of those ISQ^ and was content with the fees as they stood, onlhat the surplus should be devoted as the legislature ad provided for, to the benefit of the borough treasur I found the framing of a new table of fees took a Jet arduous character, and after a long struggle witihe old Bcale-much thought and anxiety—I was oblid, reluctantly, I confess, to relinquish the attempted thereupon it bethought me to call in the aid of Mr. 4L-, a gentleman as you all well know to be especially qij. kf lUb aut'v "ru" •»»1' «' Mr. Oke's laboi'sj9 now before you. I must tell you ID»V I»*I. erne viously arranged several tables of fees for other dlSjCIB -that he is the best qualified for such a task ok., man that could be selected-that his position is cb that he is not to be influenced by any man. You sb, his letter, printed at the head of the table of fees, his instructions were, and how he has carried then l- I now consider that tt was far batter fbat an independt gentleman, such as Mr. Oke, should settle these feeai preference to an individual or body of men in Newpl. You are aware, gentlemen, that since 1852 no fees lit been paid by this Board for cases in the Police Cou and I wish it to be borne in mind that the return off for the six years 1854 to 1859 inclusive, do not embri any fees of that class or character, and that it is my i tentioaand desire that the business of this Board continued on the same principle of non-payment, bringing my observations to a conclusion, allow m gentlemen, to declare my determined hostility to tlj system of fees in any shape or form. Whilst I am member of this Board, and indeed whilst I live, I sha. ever be found a staunch opponent of a system in itself Sl vicious. I shall ever be found veady to support a sys, tem of remuneration for services that shall effectuall] check the dishonest in doing wrong, and relieve the mint of the honourable man from all imputation on his cba raoter. By adopting my resolution to-day, we shall no in the least degree compromise that hostility so oftet and so fearlessly shown at this Board, and backed up b] the bulk of the inhabitants of the town, to the existing system, whilst we shall certainly relieve many a "pooi delinquent" from difficulty. Without further remark I beg to move as follows:- That the scale of fees payable in the Police Court ol this town to the clerk to the justices, made in 1836, is nc longer applicable thereto and that the table of fees at prepared by Mr. C. G. Oke, of the Mansion House be approved of, and that a printed copy of the same, together with a copy of this resolution, be forwarded bj the Town Clerk to the Secretary of State for approval, and in substitution of the table of 1836, in compliance with the Act authorising the same. —Mr. Brown added that he was in a little difficulty because the Board was empowered by several Acts oi Parliament to recommend a reduction in the scale of fees, It was authorised by 5 and 6 William IV., c. 76, com- monly known as Municipal Corporations Act; the 11 and 12 Vie., c. 43, s. 30, passed in 1848; and by the 14 and 15 Vic., c. 55, 8; 9. He left it to the Council tc determine under which they would proceed. In taking the step that he proposed, there was nothing that would in the slightest degree prejudice them in taking up and carrying out sucoessfully, the principle of payment by salary instead of by fees. Mr. Williams: In neither of the sections you have referred to is it necessary to obtain the sanction of the magistrates to a reduction of the fees ? Mr. Brown: No. Mr. Williams: I understood you to make allusion to cases brought by the police. Will you refer to that again ? Mr. Brown: We used to have, from time to time, bills of this class (producing two documents). I have se- lected two "Business conducted by police, and charges made by police against parties, and fees arising from them, for year ending 15th of February, 1848, 436.11 Here is the Magistrates' Clerk's bill and receipt. Here is another for J625 9a. 6d. But that eeased in 1852. The Council took the matter up, and no fees have since then been allowed by them and that was the point dwelt upon by Mr. Fox, when he said iervices were rendered by him for which he received no compensation whatever. The Mayor: The fees in certain cases which come before the Court the Clerk is entitled to charge, but he ioes not charge. These are cases of vagrancy, beerhouse )ffences, and so on, brought by the police, and dismissed. IT pon these cases he is allowed certain fees, but since 1852 he has not charged them. Mr. Murphy I understood that it was agreed by him lot to charge. Mr. Llewellin: There was an arrangement. Mr. Brown: And it has been acted upon for the last :en years. The Mayor: The question is, whether, if we adopt he new scale of fees, the Clerk will not seek to re- mpose these charges. Mr. Williams: That is a proper thing to provide for. Mr. Llewellin Quite so. Mr. Brown would propose an addendum to obviate hat. The Mayor: How would that be binding upon the Magistrates' Clerk ? Mr. Brown: I must answer that question by asking mother. What is there binding upon Mr. Fox to fill up hat book (the new charge book) from time to time ? The Mayor: The order of the magistrates. Mr. Brown I He has simply undertaken to do it; and he other has been done in the same way. Thei Mayor*. At the same time he qualified the duty vy saying there was no obligation upon him to do it. Aldirman Townpendjead, aa 4ur reporter understood* i proviso tirrangement bf 1S^2," to the effeot thftt: he reoitnda n the lees elutg&Dle to t&e Coulid? 1 not to be ttvien a3 a vret^ltnt or to prejudice Me p]er> at any future tune. Th« Mayor I h.tv0 Mr. i5r.«wa's resolutioa wutinc for a 9ftoond.*r. Mr. Bro'wn: I hs ve asked no one to second it. Mr. WyndV.m Jones I will eerond it that it may be Mr. Bro'wn: I hs ve asked no one to second it. Mr. WyndV.m Jones I will eerond it that it may be brought beiore the Council for discussion. I Alderman iowpvnij; A^id I support it with an rov heart. 1h. N. Hewertson: Somewhat reluctantly 1 rise h oppose the reduction J the ,ca'e of faes, especially so since the ex-Mayorhas taken such great interest, evinced ^uch activity, and beer at so much trouble ih the i he octy anjrunent rnich I have heard used, and which the ex-Mayor has fanted at, is that the reduction of fee3 Viil Ce an advantage to the delinquents. To my wind, and think all gentiemer. present of magisterial experience win agree, with me- r Alr- Brown Deal with those woris as caiauating ironi Mr, Ho•»fray, and not aa imrje. Mr. Hew Lauii t YOIl quoted Mr. Homfray. I think that the facts occurring in the police court ignore that argument as used by Mr. Brown, inasmuch as the ma- gistrates generally inquire what the expenses are, and levy a fine accordingly- Therefore if the fees are re- duced the fines in my opinion will be increased; and hence the deiinquents will receive no benefit whatever. When, as Mr. Brown stated, this question was first brought before this Board, this Board held, and this Board has ever stood upon, this principle,-that the payment by salary, and the discarding, in toto, of payment by fees, was the only true principle but the ulterior object of the promoters of this agitation was this—that this Board should obtain the surplus fees over and above the amount of salarv that might hA ntrrppd linrtn in nrilp* that the rates of the town might be so far eased. It is very true that this has been agitated for a very 1 >ng pe- riod, and it is a matter of surprise to the inhabitants of the town that the magistrates have adherel so tena- ciously to their Clerk, and have not met the Corporation in a fair and equitable manner. But I have not lost all hope that there may be a time hereafter, when we may perhaps have more reasonable and considerate magis- trates on the Bench-(hear, hear)—who might listen to the suggestions that might be made to them. I do not say the present magistrates ever will, but we may pos- sibly have additional magistrates appointed. And if we re- duce the present scale of fees it occurs tome we are or might be, losing an opportunity hereafterofnegociating with fu- ture magistrates, with a view of inducing them to em- ploy their Clerk by salary, and enter into an arrange- ment which the present magistrates in toto refuse: Again, it has been hinted at-1 have heard it from two or three parties-that, if we succeed in reducing the scale of fees it is the intention of the magistrates' clerk backed up by a majority of the magistrates-to charge those fees which by some arrangement he has not of late years charged. If such be the case,—I don't say it is- Mr. Brown It will amount to £ 29 a year. Mr. Williams: It will amount to four times that. Mr. Hewertson: I am told it will amount to between X60 and JE70. Alderman Davis More than that. Mr. Williams Put it at £ 100, and I will show figures to prove it will be that. Mr. Hewertson: Put it at JE50 a year, and we shall appear singular to the minds of persons disinterested* We entered into litigation-we have continued this struggle, with a view to get the Magistrates' Clerk paid by salary, in order that the surplus might be appropriated to the town; and if we come out of the struggle by having to pay out of the rates of the borough, say J650 a year even, it appeals to me that we shall be open to the charge of having made a rod with which to whip only ourselves. I don't think I should be out of place if I moved an adjournment of the question as an amend- ment to the resolution; and I will do so upon these grounds,-That the alteration in the scale of fees will be no benefit to the delinquents also, that we shall be thereby conceding a principle which this Board has always held to be the only true principle third, we shall be ignoring an opportunity which might hereafter occur, for an arrangement for payment of the Clerk by salary; and fourth, because of the possibility of the proposed measure involving this Board in an annual expenditure. Mr. Brown: How do you make that out—that all annual expenditure will be incurred by this Board ? 111 what way ? Mr. Hewertson On the ground that the Magistrate" Clerk deals with certain convictions for which be is not now remunerated, but for which he can legally charge this Board with fees; and that if this Board succeed in reducing his scale of fees, be will charge the Board with. them. Mr. Brown would like Mr. Hewertson to give sub- stantial authority for what he heard out of dcors, and not say what the winds were whistling. He (Mr. Brown) had not heard of what any magistrate proposed doing. Mr. Hewertson thought he should not be acting ia good faith by mentioning names. Mr. Brown I may tell you that I have spoken to Mr. Homfray several times. I have also spoken to Mr. E. J. Phillips. I have asked Mr. Homfray particularly .115 there any suggestion you have to make or any explanation to offer. If so, be kind enoagh to let me know in time, and I will write to Mr. Oke respecting them." He has made no suggestion nor said anything in disapproval of the step I have taken. Mr. T. M. Llewellin said his impression was that it would be extremely hasty to deal with so important ft question at the present meeting, and he imagined the consideration of the subject must be adjourned. In the table of fees now submitted for consideration Mr. Oka appeared to have acted upon the principle of a general reduction of 25 per cent from the old table. The fees received for some years past bad amounted to something over X-500 ayear. He had very little doubt when that table of fees was originally settled, they yielded perhaps no "more than £ 300; but owing to the increase of popula- "tion they had reached something like JE500 or JE600. It Appeared to him that the table was originally intended to R epresent a remuneration of £ 300 to £ 400 or £ 450 ft I- ear. He presumed the same objeot would be attained it r the present contemplated scale. Therefore it ap- ° ared to him, assuming that to be correct, that, thIc 7 ble represented a proper amount of remuneration to 8 j Justices' Clerk of the borough. They, as a Council, .r 1 no doubt power to go into the feee, and say what rp tht to be received by the Magistrate" Clerk. If t lower table of fees would satisfy the Magis- of W Clerk, he conceived they ought to take into ° cideration the poor delinquents. His im- P^ion was that it was always intended that jibe should be administered at as low a scala asoasible consistent with the proper discharge of r thuties. That principle they ought to carry out, but e ining that, the matter required great consideration at th'handa because they must take care, as his friend, p, MCewertson, had forcibly remarked, that they were not fmag a rod to whip their own backs. Another impor- 1. tanuestion involved was whether they might not ba conered as conceding a question for which they had 1 fou; hard for a number of years. He confessed he 4 badsn an advocate for payment of the clerk by salary, and thought that the right way to remunerate all g gentien holding an official capacity—(Hear, hear,)— d espe ly clerks connected with the administration of d justi He had seen nothing to alter that opinion but r clay day his conviction grew stronger that payment by ssy was the proper mode of remuneration, and the legiticy of that principle he believed to be every day 8 increngly recogniseu. He felt satisfied that ere long someeasure woeld be passed by the legislature, not only firming, but carrying it out. He did not think, 3 howe, their settling any new table of fees-so long as t the asm of fees was in existence-could be regarded as a (Session of the principle they had been struggling s for. it he thought the liability they would be under to pa)r police summonses and other duties discharged by thierk was an important question. It was possible s they tht apparently reduce by a small amount the fees table to the Clerk; but if he were allowed to go 1 to theoard and take, as Mr. Williams had observed, t JE100 (of their pockets, he would remain in the same i positios at present. The reduction in the table of tees t might ng his salary from L500 to £ 400, but if he got IL100 tear from the pockets of the ratepayers his > remuntion was in reality but the snme, while the publia rse would be drawn upon to the extent of .6 Ignore than it now was. In looking ovee the tab of fees, how far that might be met by a memindum such as Mr. Brown had suggested, that n fees should be allowed to be received ) by the"lerk in any matters promoted by the Council, the police, he could scarcely give an L opinion. He had a doubt whether that could be put in. Thuyas to say, if the fees were reduced to that extent, the Secretary of State had representationa by the Ok and Magistrates-and no doubt he would bear thei-iews on the eubject-if they objected and said it wajnreasonable for the Clerk to work for the Council 1 h()ut receiving his tees, the Secretary of State woi probably strike the clause out, and say as the fees We reduced the Clerk might have all he could lay his has on, whether the cases were at the instance of the poU( the Council, or any other party—all must sail in thgame boat. Therefore he doubted whether, with a ruced scale, the Board would get relieved from the see from which they were now relieved, Indeed t, matter presented so many features foe considerate and discussion, that it seemed to him impossibltyithout having the views of the magistrates, without Ning the views of many gentlemen at that Board who, opinions he should like to have, and with- out the a\ject being fnljy ventilated—without this it seemed toajm it ;voulc' be wrong to decide upon it: He therefci seconded the amendment of Mr. Hewert- son at t4 same time recommending that a meeting of the mqjstrgtsashould he convened to afford them :) t*jnr opporinity of discussing the qqsitwD, aad |Wog J 'the CouKftHir — ~v